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I am newly qualified (1yr)and am having difficulty with a client who analyses everything.Her job is a business analyasis.This isnt her issue its around reducing her alcohol intake and I think the script i have is ok but having difficulty with a deepener as she is constantly questioning, ie; am i visualising the right thing,will I go into hypnosis, should i be visualising in this colour or that, and so on meaning she is unable to let go. My lack of experience in this type of client is frustrating and i am determined to give her a hypnotic experience so any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
I never tell my clients I am going to hypnotise them. I tell them it is an eyes closed process. I ask them if they are able to close their eyes and of course they say yes, so I then tell them this is all they need to do. A lot of clients have never experienced hypnosis on themselves so they are always wondering what the feeling will be like and anxious if they are under or not. Explain that by asking them to close their eyes it makes their 5 senses (vakog) work so much better and will enhance this wonderful feeling and that is all they have to do. Tell them that everyone experiences this process differently and that there is no right or wrong way. Whatever colour, event or experience they visualise it will be the right one or way for them.
With clients like this I always use my Galvanic Skin Response machine (GSR) biofeedback monitor to assess where she is in the relaxation process.
Hope this helps.
Thankyou very much Sean, your information is really helpful and appreciated, at the risk of sounding stupid please could you tell me what a GSR machine is? also are there any deepeners that you would suggest for this client as she manages the body relaxation well and I think the script I have done is ok but wondering if a direct deepener would be better? so as not to leave too much to the imagination,previously used 26 letter deepener or similar.I agree with Angela it was nice to have a helpful reply as was a bit concerned due to how previous queries by others have been answered and realise I am still a novice but learning all the time, thankyou again, Jill
Ive found that analytical clients must be given many things to think about so that they stop second guessing everything you say to them. To do this, I usually give the client many options to think about. For example, when using progressive relaxation techniques, I often say that Im not sure when you will begin to relax - maybe right away or maybe in a little while -- whenever you begin to notice the relaxation happening is the right time for you." This way they dont have to wonder if they are doing the right thing all the time. Also, make sure to have many options available - in other words, always speak in inferences instead of speaking directly. You will find that your client will eventually drop into a deep hypnotic state as soon as they realize that they dont have to analyze everything. If you want more suggestions or have any questions, please let me know and Ill send you some things that I use on a daily basis. Good Luck!!
Hi Eileen, Thankyou for your advice, its very helpful. I seem to be having difficulty with these type of clients. Im gaining in confidence with sucesses but feel really set back when I get these difficult clients who find it hard to let go.I would be really grateful if you could send me a typical example as if I can conquer this I think my confidence will increase considerably. Thankyou Jill (email@example.com)
Hi Jill, a GSR meter is a small battery powered meter that measures skin resistance. The more relaxed that you are the lower the galvanic skin resistance is.. They are particularly good for clients who like gadgets. Thoughtstream do a nice one that can be linked to a pc and display a graph. Better still you can save the session and display up to four sessions for comparison.
Analytical clients. Be artfully vague, eg In front of you is a door or gate. It can be made of any material you want, Is it wood or is it metal? Feel it is it rough or smooth? Is it warm or cool?" let them make their own picture.
You can add a bit of confusional dialogue in there by mixing things up a little. Eg "feel it is it rough or cool, maybe its warm or smooth! Either way its Just right and its the doorway to DEEPER DEEPER RELAXATION" Its a simplistic example but enough to send the clients conscious mind into a spin looking to make sense whilst you continue to deliver suggestions of going deeper.
Hope this helps a little.
Hi Jill, I was wondering if youve first talked her through the process thoroughly, emphasising that anything she experiences is authentic... theres no right or wrong... that she can become curious about what her mind will produce etc... (you can also reinforce this in the preamble to your induction)
Secondly, Ive always found the most successful inductions for analytical clients are confusional inductions. I suffered fromanalysis paralysis" myself when I first saw a hypnotherapist before I began practicing and I still find a good confusional script with added emphasis on relaxation to be the best way to achieve a deep state quickly.
I hope that helps,
Hi Hazel,Thankyou for your comments. Yes I did emphasise that there was no right or wrong and to go with whatever her imagination gives her as we are all different ect... I did wonder about a confusional script, so I might try this next time, Thankyou, Jill
I have a similar client at the moment, and I am struggling to get her to relax as not only is she quite analytical like yours, she says that just as she feels she is relaxing, she pictures the face of her ex-partner - it was quite a destructive relationship - and it pulls her out of the experience. I've tried techniques to help her clear/ distract her mind but she says this image still continues to appear and stops her from letting go. She says that she is able to fully relax her body, but finds it impossible to relax her mind because of this. I get the impression that this ex-partner is a significant factor in her underlying issue and there is so much work I could do if only I could get her to relax in the first place! Has anyone got any tips??
Have you tried the Overload Induction? I love using confusion inductions for more analytical clients. I'm looking at a GSR machine too, so that I can tell those analytical clients that they don't even need to worry or even think about whether the process is working, because I will know.
I found this discussion on Google search and enjoyed it, thank you.
I wonder if there is a good reference manual for new practitioners.
I had a client today who frustrated me, like I was talking to a wall. She was like..I want, but I know I can't, I like it, but this is stupid, what am I doing here..What do I do with clients like this, when I feel there's no flow of conversation at all? Aren't they ready for change?
Gabriela, if she wants it she is ready. Have you learned 5-Path with Cal Banyan? The best thing with this client is share how beliefs are made and kept at the SC level, show her how this has effected her over her life, how hypnosis can help. Get some of the reasons she wants the change, how long has she wanted it, has she tried before and what worked, what didnt, and then the costs of her beliefs/behaviors have had in her life, and the benefits she will fell once its gone. The above blog is great and will support you to know how to be ready in case she has trouble deepening. I like to tell my clients the way they feel right before they fall asleep is how this feels just relaxed and calm and yet just like if they heard a neighbors dog bark and know what dog it is; is the same for hypnosis. I also share she will hear me, follow suggestions that are only in line with what she wants, and I also explain the difference of stage hypnosis so they know they are always in control. Relieve her fear and work with her SC since her C sounds like she is making herself very confused.
I'm having the same issue. I originally thought that the issue was nerves. However, the second session was the same. The client states that she has trouble relaxing and getting to sleep. She also admits to being controlling. The client felt bad and so did I. Any suggestions?
It is interesting to know:
What induction are you using?
Less than 20% of people are not visual, so better use imagination.
The elman induction can be used yet for a very analytical patient, try a confusion induction or a rapid induction.
try to use the fractionation deepener by opening eyes on odd and close eyes on even numbers counting from 100 down... it's a Charles Tebetts method do it while saying "easy to forget hard to remember"
Also as Sean said, tell the patient that everyone has a different experience, there's no right or wrong.
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If you wanted to explore Psychological Type and the idea of Thinking vs Feeling, this dichotomy I find can sometimes be a helpful model to share with a client, at a basic level we are either more a Thinking (analytical) Type or a Feeling (focus on relationships & values), we all do both but have preference for one or the other and the idea behind this Jungian theory is that we make our decisions based on reasoning (thinking) or values (feeling), What tends to happen under stress is that our preference goes into overdrive and we get stuck in either Thinking or feeling mode, in the case of your client she would appear to have gotten stuck in Thinking mode, we default what we are safest with and trust the most in our approach, it gets interesting because under extreme stress the Thinking i your clients case is being over used and is getting in the way and is actually not helping to move her forward, the logic then starts to get 'illogical' trouble is it can be hard to get out of this mindset as it is what the client is safest with and feelings are not trusted, hover is the feelings that need to be explores and the values the client has if she is to move forward, it takes a leap of faith in someways and can feel scary because with Thinking Types feelings are not trusted, I find sharing this model with clients sometimes helps them to see the 'other side', where it gets really interesting is that under very extreme stress a Thinking Type can suddenly become uncharacteristically emotional and emotions just pour out, it can feel very scary for the person and those observing can be so shocked as they have never seen them behave like this before.
Could you tell me a little more regarding the 'Overload Induction' I like this technique and use some forms of 'overload for some of my more complex clients who just cannot seem to relax easily. It works wonders
Do you have particular scripts or how do you do this?